Russia Behests to Halt the Offensive (on Ukraine). A Quick Take on What's Involved.
Posted by HCN on Tuesday, March 8, 2022
(Written and published mid-evening March 7, 2022 EST)
The leader of Russia in Putin recently reportedly announced that it has four or about that number of requests and it will immediately stop the military activity that has been going on in Ukraine that can be described as has been going on in the last just under 2 weeks.
A few things, first, here in the USA, we might have the watered-down translation. What are the nuances? There is the lexicographical words, and then there is the huge ocean of information behind it.
Aspects of the list of 4 simple things, some reports say 5, and so on, are things that have been discussed in the region over the centuries.
Let's have a look.
'Acknowledge Crimea as a Russian territory.'
Here's the thing. Even if Ukraine does acknowledge, there are likely plenty of parties that may consider themselves as having their own mind made up they never will acknowledge that, with or without the current political status of Ukraine, meaning, the issue of Crimea goes back so many hundreds of years ago, that it transcends current political boundaries, according to some historical analyses. (Cans of worms opening up is a repeated theme; here, who is associating or innately simultaneously fully connected to Ukraine with their view and who is not, partially, tenuously; ca get to broiling up.)
Crimea is that region that loosely looks like a diamond sitting below (south) the Ukraine, with a right hand (the map lines if drawn by a cartographer), close to Russia and the Sea of Azov.
Many knew around the world as soon as they heard about tanks moving in the region, that down below on the issues list was the Crimea.
(Hey, religiousness has absolutely nothing to do with, absolutely nothing... ??)
'Ukraine can't join NATO'
In today's times, standout question people might be wondering is, why is, in or not in NATO, an issue post Gorbachev. We are talking 30 plus years now. The forms of Communism, in pre-cell phone, pre-Internet on teenagers' mobile computing devices, compared to the political free-minded world now, Democracy the trend, is almost like night and day. Economic mechanisms set in place to control huge tracts of land and millions of people at a time, as perhaps the days started to wane in the late 1980s, has a different dynamic now, and basically, overlaps from the old systems are debatable as even necessary, for whatever it may be that is out there to do whatever it is that may be on the maybe list.
As general as that sounds, that might be a lot of beans spilled.
Number 3, 'Donetsk and Lugansk as independent states'.
Admittedly, I know little about it. What can be said for sure, is here in the USA, most kids might take a few minutes to point exactly where Ukraine is in under 10 seconds without the words being on the map, nevermind the Donetsk and Lugansk or Luhansk, and history, and political positioning. How is a viewpoint everybody can agree on going to emerge if there is no frame of reference to say yes, no, right, left, good, bad, this was and this is what could be?
Donetsk and Lugansk are near the eastern area of Ukraine, near a location that may be more familiar to Americans, Rostov-on-Don; about 50 miles away. [There are some sad stories about that area, referencing the past 20 years. It was way up there, a major attraction; it got treated as though it was there to do whatever one wanted without taking care of the place, and people are negligent. The aftermath, is the once was is now a place to have second thoughts in regards some of the conditions there.]
Back to Donetsk and Lugansk,- The quick, quick, is these two republics as they are considered by some, Ukraine might have adverse views on them, this as reported by some, for example that they may be terrorists. So there lies a question. Why would Ukraine want but so much to do? aspects might get more complicated; if Russia wants them independent states, will this also correspond to Russia taking responsibility to suppress terrorism if it those activities do emerge from the region; and if they do, will they; if they do not, who will, and how, if they are independent?; the tangled coils could go on and on. What ifs, continue; what if there are terrorists that go over there that take no interest in the Donetsk and Lugansk, and just go over there to start stuff up, and the two regions wind up taking the brunt of a bad reputation?
A split second decision, of yes, or no, they are independent, might not pop up; how could it; but that is what is necessary to scale down? It might be tough rock and hard place.
The others of propagating a neutrality, (conjecturably) that Russia views as such, and reducing their military action, is standard; however, like the others, may be easier said than done.
Of course, in the name of peace, folks might be a proponent just to go ahead and say yes to stop the military action, stop the bloodshed, then, the orders of the universe come in, how does a wheel stop rolling downhill by just saying something?
The leader of Russia in Putin recently reportedly announced that it has four or about that number of requests and it will immediately stop the military activity that has been going on in Ukraine that can be described as has been going on in the last just under 2 weeks.
A few things, first, here in the USA, we might have the watered-down translation. What are the nuances? There is the lexicographical words, and then there is the huge ocean of information behind it.
Aspects of the list of 4 simple things, some reports say 5, and so on, are things that have been discussed in the region over the centuries.
Let's have a look.
'Acknowledge Crimea as a Russian territory.'
Here's the thing. Even if Ukraine does acknowledge, there are likely plenty of parties that may consider themselves as having their own mind made up they never will acknowledge that, with or without the current political status of Ukraine, meaning, the issue of Crimea goes back so many hundreds of years ago, that it transcends current political boundaries, according to some historical analyses. (Cans of worms opening up is a repeated theme; here, who is associating or innately simultaneously fully connected to Ukraine with their view and who is not, partially, tenuously; ca get to broiling up.)
Crimea is that region that loosely looks like a diamond sitting below (south) the Ukraine, with a right hand (the map lines if drawn by a cartographer), close to Russia and the Sea of Azov.
Many knew around the world as soon as they heard about tanks moving in the region, that down below on the issues list was the Crimea.
(Hey, religiousness has absolutely nothing to do with, absolutely nothing... ??)
'Ukraine can't join NATO'
In today's times, standout question people might be wondering is, why is, in or not in NATO, an issue post Gorbachev. We are talking 30 plus years now. The forms of Communism, in pre-cell phone, pre-Internet on teenagers' mobile computing devices, compared to the political free-minded world now, Democracy the trend, is almost like night and day. Economic mechanisms set in place to control huge tracts of land and millions of people at a time, as perhaps the days started to wane in the late 1980s, has a different dynamic now, and basically, overlaps from the old systems are debatable as even necessary, for whatever it may be that is out there to do whatever it is that may be on the maybe list.
As general as that sounds, that might be a lot of beans spilled.
Number 3, 'Donetsk and Lugansk as independent states'.
Admittedly, I know little about it. What can be said for sure, is here in the USA, most kids might take a few minutes to point exactly where Ukraine is in under 10 seconds without the words being on the map, nevermind the Donetsk and Lugansk or Luhansk, and history, and political positioning. How is a viewpoint everybody can agree on going to emerge if there is no frame of reference to say yes, no, right, left, good, bad, this was and this is what could be?
Donetsk and Lugansk are near the eastern area of Ukraine, near a location that may be more familiar to Americans, Rostov-on-Don; about 50 miles away. [There are some sad stories about that area, referencing the past 20 years. It was way up there, a major attraction; it got treated as though it was there to do whatever one wanted without taking care of the place, and people are negligent. The aftermath, is the once was is now a place to have second thoughts in regards some of the conditions there.]
Back to Donetsk and Lugansk,- The quick, quick, is these two republics as they are considered by some, Ukraine might have adverse views on them, this as reported by some, for example that they may be terrorists. So there lies a question. Why would Ukraine want but so much to do? aspects might get more complicated; if Russia wants them independent states, will this also correspond to Russia taking responsibility to suppress terrorism if it those activities do emerge from the region; and if they do, will they; if they do not, who will, and how, if they are independent?; the tangled coils could go on and on. What ifs, continue; what if there are terrorists that go over there that take no interest in the Donetsk and Lugansk, and just go over there to start stuff up, and the two regions wind up taking the brunt of a bad reputation?
A split second decision, of yes, or no, they are independent, might not pop up; how could it; but that is what is necessary to scale down? It might be tough rock and hard place.
The others of propagating a neutrality, (conjecturably) that Russia views as such, and reducing their military action, is standard; however, like the others, may be easier said than done.
Of course, in the name of peace, folks might be a proponent just to go ahead and say yes to stop the military action, stop the bloodshed, then, the orders of the universe come in, how does a wheel stop rolling downhill by just saying something?
